[WASC-WAFEC] What should we change in WAFEC 2.0?

Ofer Shezaf ofer at shezaf.com
Wed Jun 6 07:39:29 EDT 2012


Since you are all very quiet, I understand that WAFEC 2 will solve my pain
and needs only J


To that end, let me start with summarizing issues raised in the previous
discussions on the mailing list (which I actually went and read.).


No specific order intended. This is what you wrote, though I must say I
think it captures well the issues I am aware of and that generally speaking
I agree with most.


1.       Remove non WAF related criteria for example around application

.         While integrating a WAF with other solutions is compelling to the
client, it is not directly about WAFs and is also unbounded. This does
present the challenge deciding what is relevant to a WAF in border cases
such as an SSO functionality 

2.       Update the list of threats covered

3.       Focus on customer use cases rather than how a WAF operates

.         I think there was some hidden controversy here as I read opinions
to focus on "technical" which I take to be opposite. I personally very much
agree with this comment. 

4.       Not just a laundry list - 

.         Classify the importance of requirements. I believe that a minimal
approach specifying several levels, for example: "mandatory", "important",
"nice to have" and "site specific".

.         Another complementing idea is to classify requirements as
"security"/"functionality"/"performance" etc. letting the user determine if
he prefers security over functionality etc.

.         This would also provide the minimum requirements for a solution to
be a WAF - the "mandatory" requirements.

.         Regarding site specific requirements, it should be easy to the
user to determine his own requirements, for example using a decision tree.

5.       The "ethical" questions:

.         How to address alternative solutions such as fixing the code?

6.       Outreach - beyond the document

.         Approaching NSS, ICSA and the likes to use WAFEC

.         Release process, PR etc.

.         Managing a list of public references to WAFEC

.         Promote actual evaluations data sharing - No more spreadsheets.

7.       Specific notes on V1, I have collected for further work.


A major question raised with opinions on both sides was a re-write vs. an
update. I do think that understanding the requirements should direct that.
Some issues raised which directly relate to that are:

1.       Is the order of sections correct?

2.       Incorporating the German OWASP chapter work on the same subject:


~ Ofer


From: Ofer Shezaf [mailto:ofer at shezaf.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:45 PM
To: wasc-wafec at lists.webappsec.org
Subject: WAFEC 2.0 phase 1: exploratory discussion (deadline: June 14th)


Thanks to all who volunteered to contribute to this project going forward
(and those who didn't - you still can!)


I would like to boot up the project with a short exploratory phase
identifying why we need a new release and therefore what we need in it.


To guide the discussion, I think that the reasons we need v2 fall into two

1.      Things that have changed - new (or obsolete) deployment modes,
techniques, attacks, or even something new altogether.

2.      Issues we discovered in WAFEC over the years. Some issues I
encountered are identifying specific requirements and sorting out what's
important and what's not.


>From this discussion I hope to derive a mission statement, a tasks list and
therefore a schedule for the V2 project. All those will be the next phase. 


I would give this phase two weeks (until June 14th), however I am on
vacation from the 9th, so would accept input but not join the discussion on
the last few days.


I would also want to thank Thorsten and Mirko for leading the project until
now. I do hope that I will get from you all more cooperation than they did!
I would also want to extend a personal apology to Thorsten and Mirko as the
leader switch was not well coordinated. Thorsten and I discussed this over
the last week and he gracefully agreed to let me give a try to leading this
project forward.


Thank you all!

~ Ofer


Ofer Shezaf

[+972-54-4431119; ofer at shezaf.com, www.shezaf.com]


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